# Stroke order of 力 vs 九

I'm curious as to why the stroke order of is different to the stroke order of .

One page I found ( and stroke order) theorises that the reason is because has "touching" strokes and there is a hook that "points" to the second stroke, so it could not itself be the second stroke.

This seems to be a decent theory, though I'd like to know if anybody has a concrete source proving (or disproving) this rule. It does note that it only applies for cases where the strokes touch, so it does not count in cases like .

Any insights?

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The idea of the stroke order is to make the character you write be more structural thus beautiful. The first stroke will always be the initial guidance of the whole character, so in this case which stroke is first depends on whether this stroke can make your character's major structure be certain. In this case, 力's right portion is more certain, whereas 九 which can be considered as left-right structure, should be written as 人，八，大 etc. – tomriddle_1234 Feb 21 '14 at 1:05

I'm going to have to guess but I think the brush stroke order (笔画顺序) has to do with "cursive writing" (草书). The general rule is horizontal before vertical but when writing in cursive the flow of writing is better the other way around for some characters. 九 flows better with vertical first and slipping into the horizontal. – amateur Feb 21 '14 at 12:44

1.只有横折钩类与撇相遇：先写横折钩，例刀、力、万 、方、乃、杨。

2.其他横折类与撇相遇：都先写撇，例如及（横折折撇 ），几（横折弯），九（横斜钩）、匕（竖折弯）。

translate into English:

1.Only when uppermost and rightmost lines with a left hook cross with right-to-left diagonals(ノ): uppermost and rightmost lines with a left hook is written first. For example: "刀", "力", "万", "方", "乃", "杨".

2.In other situation uppermost and rightmost lines cross with right-to-left diagonals(ノ): right-to-left diagonals is written first. For example: "及", "几", "九", "匕".