2

I remember once being told that there are differences in usage and meaning between 能 and verb + 得了.

他能来。 他不能来。
他来得了。 他来不了。

EDIT: Maybe my examples above weren't that good. Here are some new ones:

小孩搬不了这个大花盆。 小孩不能搬这个大花盆。
这儿声音太大,我听不了。 这儿声音太大,我不能听。

When should I use each? What are the differences in meaning?

Thanks in advance!

2
  • is 了 here read as le or liao ? Oct 13, 2015 at 21:39
  • Definitely liao.
    – Ringil
    Oct 13, 2015 at 23:48

3 Answers 3

1

I think the difference is mostly in formality. For the first 2 examples you've given, both would be acceptable grammatically, but 能 definitely sounds more formal.

However, I think there are examples where they can't completely be used interchangeably.

我吃不了了 can be used to indicate that one can't keep eating (because one is full/doesn't like the food). But to indicate the same with 能 you probably need to say, 我不能继续吃了

This might fall in a general category of idioms where you can't use 能 instead of a construction involving 得. For example, 我看不起他 really can't be replaced easily with 能

3
  • cf。Chinese grammars,e。g。"实用现代汉语语法" 能愿动词(八)能、能够 1。表示主观上具有某种能力。例如:1刚来中国的时候,我连一个汉字也不认识,怎么能看中文书呢?2这个机器的马达坏了,不能开动了。3打猎的越来越近,都能听见马跑的声‌​音了。2。表示具备某种客观条件。例如:1今天气温低,水能结成冰。2时间还早,九点钟以前能赶回。3。表示情理上许可,多用于疑问和否定句。例如:1天这么晚了,我不能让‌​你走!2陈胜对吴广说:"我们不能去渔阳送死,应该起义反抗。"3病人病情危急,不能坐等。4。表示"准许",多用于疑问句和否定句。例如:1没有我的命令你不能动!2那是‌​集体的财产,我怎么能让你随意破坏?在陈述句中,第3,4二义的肯定形式用"可以"。5。表示估计。例如:1今天小刘能到北京吗?2电影已经演了一半了,他不能来了。6。表‌​示善于做某事。例如:1他能说会道,能写会算。2老师傅可真能睡。。。。可能补语 二、B 类可能补语(一)B 类可能补语表示的语法意义 B 类可能补语是由"得/不+了"构成的。"了"的本义是"完"、"结束",由"得/不+了"构成的可能补语用在某些动词后。"了"有时仍表示"完、掉"等结果意义。例如:1‌​这个西瓜太大,咱们俩吃不了。(吃不完)2这件事我总也忘不了。(忘不掉)这类"得/不+了"与A 类可能补语所表示的意思是一样的,所以应属于A类。
    – user6065
    Oct 14, 2015 at 21:56
  • I don't see what you're trying to say by copying that other than there are more things you can express with 能....
    – Ringil
    Oct 14, 2015 at 22:03
  • Q is about difference between 能 and 得/不+了,incidentally preceding earlier was positioned below,but after correcting 能源 to 能愿 could no longer be moved to the previous position。
    – user6065
    Oct 14, 2015 at 22:33
1

The main difference between -得了 and 能 is that -得了 can only be used with a fairly small subset of verbs, while 能 can be used with most verbs; for example, we can say 能看見, but 看見得了 sounds quite odd to me.

I believe this is because -得了 has a more specific meaning than 能, which is as generic as you can get, but I can't immediately provide a reference for this. Another important difference is that 能 can be used with a whole clause:

他還能一邊唱一邊跳, 真厲害. He can sing and dance at the same time, impressive!

There is no way to stick -得了 into this kind of sentence; it is a verbal affix, so can only be used as part of a relatively simple sentence.

Later note: I changed the example above from 能看 to 能看見. This may work better. I Still haven't found leading references, but here is one article that discusses some of this: 郝維 2001〈補語的可能式研究綜述〉,《漢語學習》3:29-34. In particular, the article notes that -得了 is usually used for actions that can be completed. This seems right, so in the zillions of cases where we want to speak of general ability, -得了 is often inappropriate. An example:

他能彈鋼琴 He can play the piano. (ok)
?? 他彈得了鋼琴 He can (finish) playing the piano. (odd)

2
  • I feel like you can just say 看得见 to express nearly the same meaning as 能看见。 For example: A: 你做的地方能看见老师吗? B: 看不见。
    – Ringil
    Oct 14, 2015 at 9:48
  • Also, A:你能弹钢琴吗?B:弹不了。Maybe it just works for questions. Though I feel for cases where you want to express ability 会 might be utilized more than 能.
    – Ringil
    Oct 14, 2015 at 11:01
0

Whichever you please. 不能 is more general, but also means cannot, must not, ought not, should not. Likewise, 能 is often an inherit trait, as in 你能说汉语吗?

4
  • 由"得/不+了"构成的B类可能补语,"了"本身不表示结果意义,整个"得/不+了"表示"主、客观条件是否容许实现(某种动作或变化)"。例如:1钻机没有水就动不了。(客观条件不容许)2今天下雨,去不了颐和园了。(客观条件不容许)3你这么大年纪了,连山上的草都拔不了,怎么能搬走这两座大山呢?(主观条件不容许)4今天阿里病了,上不了课了。(主观条件不容许)"得/不了"还可以表示对情况的估计。例如:1我看小刘比小陈大不了几岁。2敌人是兔子的尾巴,长不了。表示"情理上是否许可"或"准许不准许"意义时,不能用 B 类可能补语,只能用"能"。例如:1一个人不能去,会掉在沟里!*一个人去不了,会掉在沟里!2你的要求是错误的,我不能答应。*你的要求是错误的,我答应不了。B类可能补语在陈述句中也主要用否定形式,表达相应的肯定意思时,多用"能"。例如:二哥,属老虎的才能干这种事,属耗子的干不了。2今天晚上我能去,阿里去不了。B类可能补语主要用于口语,书面语或在正式场合更多的是用"能/不能+动词",A 类可能补语或其他方式。(二)B 类可能补语与A 类的区别 虽然在表达"主,客观条件是否容许实现"这一点上 A 类可能补语与B 有相同之处,但 A 类总与动作的结果或趋向相联系,而 B 类则与结果或趋向无关。试比较:1今天晚上我有事,看不完这本书了。(A 类,不能实现"看完")2今天晚上我有事,看不了这本书了。
    – user6065
    Oct 14, 2015 at 3:13
  • Hm, so does it make sense to say 看得了这本书了? How about 看見? We can say 能看見, can we say 看見得了? ps: long detailed answers like this really would be better as answers than comments, otherwise its very easy to overlook.
    – wpt
    Oct 14, 2015 at 4:31
  • according to above quotation (unfinished),得/不+了 (B type potential complement)can be used if dependent on subjective/objective conditions, possibility or impossibility based on reason (情理上)requires 能/不能,(thus answer depends on context) moreover in the case of affirmative declaration as opposed to negation or question 能 is anyhow more common than 得+了.
    – user6065
    Oct 14, 2015 at 6:30
  • 3rd last comment continued, (B类,不能实现"看")(三)包含B类可能补语的句子,结构特点基本与包含A类可能补语的句子相同,值得提出的有以下两点:1。动词或形容词与B类结合要比A类得容易,结合也宽些,连某些动补式动词(如"扩大、延长、埋没、提高"等),前面有状语的动词甚至有其他补语动词都可以带B类补语。例如:1我们这里埋没不了人才。2他这个人,早来不了。3这些土地是我们的,谁也抢不了去!这是因为B类可能补语主要用于口语,所以只有口语中不常用的动词,如"逾、著、恭候、寻(找)。。。"、表示使令义的"使、让、叫"以及能愿动词等不能带B类可能补语。不能带B类可能补语的形容词有以下两类:A。某些口语中不常用的,如"肮脏"、"错误"、"丑陋"、"衰败"、"高大"等。B。非谓形容词,如"男"、"女"、"雌"、"雄"、"正"、"副"、"横"、"竖"、"夹"、"大型"、"初级"、"多项"、"个别"、"共同"、"主要"、"新生"、"慢性"、"新式"、"四方"、"万能"、"天然"、"人为"、"袖珍"、"高频"等。2。B类可能补语中间不能插入程度副词。*)A类可能补语:由"得/不+结果补语/趋向补语"构成的,叫A类可能补语。
    – user6065
    Oct 14, 2015 at 22:35

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service and acknowledge that you have read and understand our privacy policy and code of conduct.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.