I was yesterday in a bus in the HK neighbourhood called 上環/soeng6 waan4. A guy nearby was talking in a strange, almost alien-sounding, Chinese dialect. At some point he mentioned (what I suppose is answering a question) "tseng wan" -- with the "w" being weaker than a normal [w]. I didn't catch the tones but "zeng"/上 sounded much higher than in Canto. I'd guess it's his dialect's version of 上環. It's not Hakka, I think. (上環 in HK's Hakka is song van). According to this site, 上環 is something like sèng vãn in Toisanese. Close but not quite right.

The guy also spoke Standard Cantonese, which is why I suspect it's a Southern dialect.

Any ideas?

  • "with the "w" being weaker than a normal [w]". Not sure what you mean by weaker? Weaker how? Aug 20, 2012 at 0:03
  • It sounded more like a bilabial approximant.
    – dda
    Aug 20, 2012 at 3:43
  • Even every city in China speak in different ways,so it's hard to say
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    Apr 12, 2015 at 4:56
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I guess it's Teochew (潮汕话 / 潮州话), a southern language in Guangdong and Taiwan. There're actually many Teochew people living in HK. HKers call them Chiuchow people (潮州人).

You can ask the local friends to know more about them and their language. :)

  • Yeah I know about 潮州話, and I've been to 汕頭. I should've thought of it. I have a 潮州 friend in Shenzhen, I'll ask her to pronounce 上環 for me, see if it matches. Thanks.
    – dda
    Sep 21, 2012 at 3:15

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