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Sorry to bother everyone about this, but I've spent an evening trying to find an answer on the webz to no avail. I've consulted various Chinese sites, tried to study animated Chinese character gifs, and the result...frustration.

It's about the Chinese character for heart/mind:

It has 4 strokes.

As far as I can tell:

Stroke 2 is a flat slanted hook = biǎnxiégōu = 扁斜钩

Stroke 3 is a dot = diǎn = n点

Stroke 4 is a dot = diǎn = n点

But I'm unable to tell what stroke 1 is.

Is it a vertical = shù = 竖?

Is it a throwaway = piě = 撇?

Or something else?

Thank you in advance for any help you can offer.

:)

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    stroke #1 also is a dian – user6065 Apr 26 '18 at 4:39
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First of all, whether the stroke is a shu is out of the question -- it is not a vertical and long stroke, but typically tilted and short.

Regarding the difference between dian and pie, I must call your attention to CJKV strokes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroke_(CJKV_character)

Note in stroke "d" (dian) there are two versions, left and right, but both have the stop(顿) at the bottom end. While in stroke "p"(pie) the stop is at the top. One can find fonts that goes either ways: my browser displays it as a pie, e.g..

But we can go one step further and ask: should that stroke be written as a dian, or a pie? Since different authorities may make up different standards.

According to the standard for mainland China: (character 0174) http://www.china-language.gov.cn/doc/zb2009.pdf we can see the stop is clearly at the bottom, therefore, this stroke should be written as a dian, in mainland China.

In Taiwan, there is a different standard, and according to them: (character 101305) http://language.moe.gov.tw/001/Upload/files/SITE_CONTENT/M0001/MU/mua12.htm it is also unambiguously a dian.

In Japan, they also have a different standard: (page 84, lower middle) http://www.bunka.go.jp/kokugo_nihongo/sisaku/joho/joho/kijun/naikaku/pdf/joyokanjihyo_20101130.pdf we can see it is also a dian.

The authority of classical chinese language, the Kang Xi Dictionary (upper right): http://tool.httpcn.com/Html/KangXi/Pic/375.shtml also prints the character with a dian.

While I don't know enough korean or vietnamese to look it up (edits welcome), I think we have enough evidence to conclude with great certainty, that the stroke is supposed to be written as a dian.

But feel free to write a pie instead, I'm certainly not going to judge or be confused which character it is.

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  • Thank you so much for going above and beyond. I believe this is one of the best replies I've ever encountered. Thank you. – user19558 Apr 26 '18 at 9:54
  • @seriouslynovice no problem. it was fun looking all the things up. – Zuoanqh Apr 26 '18 at 23:45

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