How is【的、得、地】pronunced when talking about the difference in usages of 的·地·得?

Question

When discussing the differences between 的·地·得 usage I've only know the following pronunciation:

的、地、得
die、di、de

I can't find a lot to back this up. But, I did find one Tianya forum thread that that mentions:

我周围的老一辈人，只要有小学文化，这几个字都不会弄错。因为用家乡话（吴语区）说，这三个字读法完全不一样，“的、地、得”分别念“DIE、DI、DE”。

I also found this comment on a thread on 19lou

我们小时候不说普通话，这三个字发音分别是：的（die）、得（de）、地（di）,从来不会搞错。一定是一些北方人，在和当时的少数民族交融的时候，搞不清楚，给混为同一个发音了，给现今的孩子们带来这么多麻烦，唉。

The idea is the same, but the order is different.

Is:

的·地·得
die·di·de

the correct pronunciation when talking about Mandarin? If not, how is the 的·得·地 phenomenon vocalized in Modern Standard Mandarin?

Answer 1

I think I misunderstood what the original poster meant, here is an update.

In distinguishing 的地得 in Mandarin, you would say

dē dì dé

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In Mandarin, in practice, they all have the same pronunciation de in first tone. They are used differently though, 地 is used after 状语 and before 动词，like 高兴地说，得 is used after 动词，like 跳得高，and 的 is used for other cases.

Indeed, it is nice to distinguish those in order not to cause ambiguity. For example

看得出来，你家的地得好好地打扫了。

There is a good article in zhihu which people could look at.

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There is one more point I would like to make, in some of the articles you referred to, it is claimed that people should stick to their dialects instead of trying to learn the obscure Mandarin. I disagree with this point.

I come from Shaanxi province and we do have out dialect, but I grew up speaking Mandarin with my parents and classmates, because the people in our area come from different parts of China and speak different dialects. What dialects do you require people to learn? I assume not a single dialect could persuade everyone to study it. In this case, we of could Mandarin!

Some people were saying, I do not want to learn to speak another language! I would like to stick to my own language! Well, first, dialects are called dialects because they are not language, they are dialects! Second, you have the right to stick to your own dialect, but it would eventually prevent you from communicating with people from other parts of China who speak Mandarin in order to communicate!

So, please learn Mandarin first and then, if you have the kind of interest and time, learn other dialects.

Language is first a tool for communication, then a culture, so are dialects.

Answer 2

There are different pronunciations of the characters 的, 得 and 地, but of course you know that and you can look them up in the dictionary.

I don't know if there is a special way of pronouncing these characters when talking about their grammar, and I don't know if there's a standard way of saying them together, like die, di, de.

But when I talked about the grammar of the different »de«, I usually just say »地理的地«, »你的的的« and »得到的得« or something similar. I'm sure are better or more standardized examples, but this is only to show you what I mean.

Answer 3

Base on your question and your clarification by your comments:

There are two ways that I often use (or hear people use) when talked about this.

One way is to pronounce them differently. The pronunciation would be "de1 di4 de2" for "的地得". There is often used when all of they appear together, like in a phrase "“的地得”的用法". You may treat it as it is the reading of the "word/phrase" "的地得".

The other way is use a "descriptive way" to call the characters: "白勺的" (bai2 shao2 de1) for 的， "土也地" (tu2 ye3 de1) for 地, and "双人得" (shuang1 ren2 de1) for 得. This is often used when they do not appear together and need to be distinguished. Like: 这里应该用"白勺的"，不是"土也地"。（In written form, the sentence usually looks like: 这里应该用“的”，不是“地”）