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I know in some dialects of Southwestern Mandarin 吸 is read ji or jie. This is most likely due to the fact that 吸 is made up of 口 + 及 and 及 is read ji or jie in these same topolects.

Does this phenomenon occur in any other Sinitic topolects? I know, for instance, that 酝酿 read wen rang is common through a few different languages. So it may be that 吸, ji or jie is also common at the grassroots.

Ideas?

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    The correct way to say it is xi Not all Chinese characters pronounce the same without the partial parts。 Some may apply to traditional Chinese characters
    – MMhuhu
    Mar 15 '21 at 7:52
  • Which dialects? Mar 31 '21 at 8:10
  • @AurusHuang 岷江片 for sure
    – Mou某
    Apr 3 '21 at 13:30
  • While some of the pronunciations of the standard Chinese word can be traced back to the root of writing, not the dialects, for which the pronunciation deviates from the standard largely due to regional reasons, and is difficult to track. For instance, Taiwanese pronounces "吃" as "甲 (write as 口+甲), and Shanghainese pronounces "人" as "寧", any base for that, any other dialect pronounces the same way? The questions may only be answered by the local dialect enthusiasts. It is as absurd as asking if the Southern dialect in the US has anything to do with the origin of the English letters.
    – r13
    Oct 4 '21 at 22:06
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This seems likely to have come from Xiang:


Page 216 of《湘方言语音研究》has the following entry:

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Where we have the pronunciation and character:

tɕi⁴⁵ 吸

Here, tɕi would equate to "ji," in simple romanization.


Wiktionary | 吸 has similar information:

Pronunciation

  • Xiang (Wiktionary): ji6
  • Dialectal data:
Xiang
Changsha /t͡ɕi²⁴/
Xiangtan /t͡ɕi²⁴/

Wiktionary does also mention:

Chengdu /t͡ɕi³¹/

and

Guiyang /t͡ɕi²¹/ 老

Under the historical backdrop of 湖广填川 it would seem likely that Hunanese migrants brought pronunciations like these West with them.

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  • The page linked below profs that 湖南人 pronounces 吸 as 及 if ji6 = ji6, but I still don't understand what is the case you are making or trying to correlate to. The ancient Chinese migration pattern does not fit your description - Han from the North (Yellow River) towards South (Yangzi River) and settled in the Central. The South West and West were mostly occupied by the ethnic minorities that some of them were one-time enemies of the traditional Han people (漢人). I have no clue that 湖南人 had any time in history migrated further South or West, except the forced settlement during Cultural Revolution.
    – r13
    Oct 9 '21 at 21:38
  • Link - en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%8F%8A
    – r13
    Oct 9 '21 at 21:41
  • Just find out ji6 seems to encompass a group of words that differ from ji2. en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ji6 You can find out the words associated with ji2 by typing it in the search box of the linked page.
    – r13
    Oct 10 '21 at 1:00
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    @r13 In the question I simply stated that I am familiar with some local topolects where 吸 is read ji and/or jie. My question asked, "Does this happen anywhere else?" That was it. There is nothing else to read into the question.
    – Mou某
    Oct 10 '21 at 7:29
  • I don't have a problem with any question unless it is misleading or derogative. Originally I had no desire to answer your question as the way it was asked sounded ridiculous and not meaningful, until the tipping point. I think you still didn't get it.
    – r13
    Oct 10 '21 at 14:40
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Read Xi[吸],and we have other words like 及or級,this two words sound ji

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吸 reads xi correctly.

Not all Chinese characters pronounce the same without the partial parts

Sometimes, grass roots do pronounce characters they don't know well with the partial parts, and sometimes it's wrong. However, "吸" is a very common character in Chinese. Kids will know words like "吸管"(straw) "呼吸"(breathe) at a very young age, even before they know the character"及".

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    答非所问…Not what the question asked
    – Mou某
    Oct 1 '21 at 12:41
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I suggest checking a Chinese dictionary for a word's correct pronunciation and find out the root reason for its sound rather than randomly picking a local dialect then thinking it is the common case. No, the pronunciation is not common besides the local you stated (if it is the case), nor it is so pronounced because the word contains the word "及", although it could be the case for the words "圾", as in "垃圾[lā jī]" (note it also pronounces[lè sè]", and "級[jí]".

By the way, the pronounciation for "酝酿" is [yùn niàng], not [wen rang].

I could be 答非所问, but it is understandable consider your question can be described as "不知所云".

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  • The question was asking whether there are any other dialects that pronounce it is ji or jie, not if that is the correct way to pronounce it in standard Mandarin. It's quite obvious op knows the standard pronunciation of the character.
    – Curiosity
    Oct 4 '21 at 9:03
  • @Curiosity Provide your example. My answer was very clear to the point - there is no such pronunciation nor such connection, the OP has no clue what he was asking, nor do you.
    – r13
    Oct 4 '21 at 14:00
  • Note, I voted to close this post for the arrogance of the OP in commenting one of the answer providers.
    – r13
    Oct 4 '21 at 14:38
  • "there is no such pronunciation nor such connection" just to clarify, are you asserting that there are no local dialects anywhere in China that pronounce 吸 as ji or jie?
    – Curiosity
    Oct 4 '21 at 16:11
  • @Curiosity Not I am aware of. I think you have a reading comprehension problem - 不求甚解. Please read the entire thread to see where my answer/comments came about. We are wasting time on this non-sense
    – r13
    Oct 4 '21 at 17:38

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