Wenlin dictionary describes the writing of 酉 by a third stroke as a 𠃍 héngzhé and not a ㇆ héngzhégōu.
When i look at https://www.zdic.net/hans/酉 it is more a ㇆ héngzhégōu.
When i look at https://www.archchinese.com/chinese_english_dictionary.html?find=%E9%85%89 it looks like Wenlin writing.
Does this character built with 囗 wéi or 口 kǒu ? 西 is described by Wenlin as a component of 酉, and 西 is built with 囗.
Then it should by written with the ㇆ héngzhégōu stroke (and both Wenlin and archchinese would be wrong ? ).

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    Does this character built with 囗 wéi or 口 kǒu ? 西 is described by Wenlin as a component of 酉, and 西 is built with 囗. "Component" in this situation should only be interpreted as a collection of strokes making a shape; do not attach a pronunciation like 囗 wéi or 口 kǒu, that implies that the characters 酉 or 西 is made up of 囗 wéi or 口 kǒu, which is absolutely incorrect.
    – dROOOze
    Commented Sep 11, 2021 at 10:33
  • Yes, there is something incorrect, that's why i ask here. 西 is part of the indecomposable characters, ok. But graphically, to remember in an easier way, it contains at the end of writing 囗 wéi or 口 kǒu. 酉 is also part of the indecomposable characters ( GF 0013-2009 on myyxzj.com/article/032fdeee-77aa-422d-bd3a-86c4c9633766.shtml ) but we can consider that it is made of 西 in which is added graphically (when writing is done) an horizontal stroke. Then is it 𠃍 héngzhé or ㇆ héngzhégōu ? the third stroke in 酉 ?
    – faure
    Commented Sep 11, 2021 at 11:18

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Stroke Sequence -

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enter image description here Kangxi Radical #164 (composition 西一)


enter image description hereRadical 146


𠁤 - Radical 31 囗+2 (composition 儿囗)


enter image description hereRadical 31 (composition 冂一)


enter image description hereRadical 13 (composition丨𠃌)


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  • La composition " composition ⿴西一 " n'est pas correcte sur ce site : dans 酉 一 n'est pas tracé après l'autre composant. De plus 酉 est indécomposable, ce qui n'empêche pas qu'il faut bien le tracer, avec les strokes correctes et l'ordre correct ! ma question porte sur la nature de 3 ème trait : héngzhé ou héng zhégōu ? le site en.wiktionary semble opter pour le deuxième, comme zdic.net :-)
    – faure
    Commented Sep 11, 2021 at 11:48
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    @faure English seems to be the main language of the forum, please avoid needing others to translate your writing. You can find a textbook that teaches elementary Chinese handwriting to verify your case.
    – r13
    Commented Sep 11, 2021 at 12:41
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    @faure I think you're misunderstanding what ⿴西一 means. The ideographic description characters are a way of describing a character based on other Unicode-encoded characters treated as shapes. It does not say anything about linguistically-relevant character components, or that you write 西 before 一 in terms of stroke order to build up 酉.
    – dROOOze
    Commented Sep 11, 2021 at 13:31
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    @faure Found one from ebay. You should also ask the person who taught you Chinese. ebay.com/itm/…
    – r13
    Commented Sep 11, 2021 at 13:39
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    @faure Also recommend is "the basic strokes of Chinese writing" (link 1) and "the Chines radicals" (link 2). saporedicina.com/english/chinese-radicals hsk.academy/en/learn/the-chinese-radicals
    – r13
    Commented Sep 11, 2021 at 13:58

In reality there is no difference. Usually, after you write 𠃍, you naturally lift the pen to write the next stroke, and it will naturally form a 勾, making it ㇆. They are more like stylistic choices you can freely make. It's like how you write the letter a: it does not matter.

Different fonts treat this differently.

Governments try to make standards. In real life, people don't care. You needn't care either, unless you are preparing for an exam specific on strokes (I'm not aware that such exams exist), or you have academic interests in strokes. Normal exams won't make you lose points for such minor stylistic aspects.

Current standards of each region:


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source: 中華民國教育部 常用國字標準字體筆順學習網


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source: 中华人民共和国教育部国家语言文字工作委员会 通用规范汉字笔顺规范(pdf) (This file does not even use 楷体, which should usually be used for handwriting.)

The next picture is from https://www.hanzi5.com/bishun/9149.html, a site for learners of simplified Chinese. Notice the subtle stroke which is kind of like in the middle of 𠃍 and ㇆.

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